"...the Holy See has embraced universal fraternity and interfaith dialogue, especially under Pope Francis." Yes, but the categorical inversion of the meaning and practice of ecumenism began before Vatican II and was then incorporated deeply into Nostra Aetate and subsequent papacies--all of them, with spectacles like the infamous Assisi par for the course. The Church is deeply compromised by weak men, poor catechesis, and the bitter fruits of the most awful Council ever to take place.
The current Pope received his position by towing the satanic Vatican’s wishes, firing bishop Strickland helped place the current pope on the track. I believe God is in charge, please prayer for the church of Peter.
I think what troubles many people isn’t dialogue itself, but the quiet shift from dialogue as a bridge to dialogue as a substitute for truth. When ecumenism stops being a path toward clarity and becomes an end in itself, it risks losing its moral center. Compassion without discernment can slowly turn into avoidance, and avoidance eventually has consequences. The harder question may be this: how does a Church remain genuinely open to others without becoming hesitant about what it stands for?
Nothing wrong with Nostra Aetate. The radical corruption of the document's meaning and intention is the doing of cowardly church leaders and the liberal political class, media influencers who cower under the boot of murderous, militants jihadists. "SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL" is their collective, quisling echo chamber response. Same thing happened during National Socialist Germany's saber rattling period burning books, smashing windows and spraying graffiti on storefronts before the roundups reaching its bloody climax with the unspeakable massacring of millions of untermenschen "enemies of the state" and the declaration of total war against the ancient people of the race of Abraham. The stormtroopers today are the millions of brainwashed, radicalized jihadists infested with bloodlust, after the blood of Jews and kafirs unwilling to bend to Allah's will as taught in the Koran. CONSIDER THIS: If only 1% of the two billion followers of Allah are radicalized Jihadists, that's 10 million who are waging war somewhere in the world through terrorism, subterfuge, infiltration to bring the world under the dominion of Islam.
St. Pope John Paul II wrote beautifully about Nostra Aetate which he understood as addressing the common humanity of the three great monotheistic religions - Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. It was not about compromising the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church. Karol Wojtyla grew up in pre-war Poland with close friends in the Jewish community. Most of these families were wiped out
Let's remember, Catholic brothers and sisters, we are not infallible in our judgments, though we have strong opinions. We must be prudent and not fall into judging rashly (8th Commandment). Nostra Aetate is not the VCII hill I would decide to die on. I'd question Fr. John C. Murray's opinions in Dignitatis humanae (Declaration on Religious Liberty) first. Smacks of indifferentism.
All of it is indifferentism! Im sick of idolatry in Rome big time! JP2,who I question as being a saint, started the whole mess. Nostra Aetate is a mess. Truthj is more important than getting along dimly while holding hands. We've screwed up our priorities. Loving God first and foremost ,doing his will, which absolutely doesn't entail the garbage coming out of Rome since Vat2. Your thoughts smacks of modernism.
Diane, don't be so harsh and angry. Because someone doesnt agree with you, it does not call for a derogatory accusation. I was an editor for an independent Catholic paper in California reporting on "modernist" bishops and unfaithful priests. Latin Mass devotee. and I attend an Ordinariate parish in Texas. A scrupulous conscience and critical spirit can be a very sinful habit.
The Popes’s dismissal of the threat of a Islam in Europe as xenophobia came less than two weeks before the Chanukah slaughter of Jews by longtime Muslim residents of Australia.
Straight up...this pope is a coward who's mission is to fulfill the modernist one world religion pipedream. We are at the early stages of the ape of the Church prophesized long ago. I'll see you all in the catacombs. Pax
When warnings about real dangers are dismissed as xenophobia, the cost is often paid by the most vulnerable, not by those making the statements. Tragedies like this don’t come out of nowhere; they grow in the space between denial and moral hesitation. Naming a threat is not the same as condemning an entire people, but failing to name it leaves everyone less safe. The harder conversation we keep postponing is this: how do leaders balance compassion with moral clarity before violence forces the issue for them?
Unfortunately the world does not understand we are in a time where the pope, if he is a valid pope, is most likely an Anti-pope and clearly a heretic. He constantly fails to defend the catholic faith as well as overtly and not so overtly undermine it just like his predecessor heretic pope.
Unfortunately this is the historical norm of the West. They made fun of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Vlad Dracul didn't find help with the Catholic Europe. The papacy is more concerned with the WEF antiChristian ghoulish project than the spiritual nihilism of Europe.
“Who is going to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
Excellent interview by Diane Montagna. BRAVO, Sabatina James, for her courage, documenting, witnessing as an exiled Pakistani, amplifying through her published book a piercing alarm to wake up the West. Rather than sending her book, "The Price of Love", to the U. S. Bishops, she should send copies to Pope Leo, Cardinal Parolin, and the Congregation (Dicastry) Prefects and select Republican congressmen like Rep. Chris Smith, House Committee on Foreign Affairs; U. S. Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee on the Foreign Relations Committee as well as select, impartial ambassadors to the U.N. Her witness reminds us of the heroic example of exiled Russian Nobel prize-winning author Alexander Solzhenitzyn's public speeches in the U. S. and U.K. (1974-1976) captured in the book, "Warning to the West" and more recently, exiled Uyghur activist, Rushan Abbas, who has detailed Communist China's ongoing genocidal campaign targeting the Uyghur minority in her book, "Unbroken". UNDENIABLY while communism continues to afflict societies suffering under their tyrannical yolk, savage, barbaric, murderous Jihadist Islam is the current worldwide scourge of free societies everywhere. The jihadist network is winning as Trojan horses attacking the weakened West through sovereign nations' inability to control their borders and through self-inflicted wounds caused by unfettered, indiscriminate immigration policies. The Vatican and U. S. Bishops' two legged stool message about welcoming the immigrant stranger without controlling public safety and the social welfare of a nation's citizens and residents is a naive, fraudulent, suicidal platitude; a twisted corruption of our Savior's message when publicly safety and nations' sovereign right to defend their borders are ignored. Behold Vatican and liberal political and media spokesmen cannot bring themselves to us the adjectives, illegal and undocumented, with the word IMMIGRANT. Blessings on the feast of Protomartyr St. STEPHEN, first canonized martyr. St. Stephen, pray for us!
“If the Vicar of Christ does not speak out against the persecution of Christians, then who on earth still can?”
Pope Leo XIV's favorite President (to criticize) can. As pointed out in the interview, President Trump just had the Nigerian government "authorize" a lethal strike on ISIS taking refuge in that islamic nation. The Vicar of Christ since St. Peter have been prone to betray Him. At least St. Peter repented. Clergy in western nations might claim dialog with muslims but would not have the courage to tell muslims what St. Peter proclaimed. Western clergy will not even say what St. Peter proclaimed to jews. Jesus Christ is God Incarnate and He is the King of kings, the Lord of lords. He is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. I just said it, so it must not be that hard unless one is subject to some kind of "ecumenical interreligious" agenda.
Sabatina James has the same courage St. Catherine of Siena has. I hope Pope Leo XIV listens just as that Avignon pope did.
Going as far back as the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s all the way to the U.S. in Iraq, it’s an indisputable fact that the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS were creations of collaborating Western intelligence communities. Israel’s funding of Hamas was well documented in the transcripts of Bibi Netanyahu’s lengthy corruption trial. Destabilization of the West has become the dismantling of the West. I’m pretty sure half the internet is taken up with the “NWO” narrative that’s been unraveling before our eyes for going on 50 years now.
Most likely true but the problem is we have created a monster and have no way to eliminate the problem. Well, actually there is but no one has the stomach for it (presently).
I would imagine the violent social upheaval that would necessarily be involved in correcting the problem was baked into the plan by the one worlders who executed it.
They have the guns but we have the numbers... Assuming the NWO doesn't initiate a nuclear exchange...they will continue to be exposed for who they are and are becoming more vulnerable to real pushback. Their problem is hubris and being evil...both of which makes one stupid.
I don’t think it’s the Vatican silence that’s driving Europe toward self-annihilation. It’s the fact that no one really cares what the Vatican has to say about anything that’s driving it. No one cares what the Conciliar-Synodal Church has to say. The influence was lost long ago. It’s possible that the sede position will get enough adherents that it will become a threat to the powers that be. If happens you’ll see a lot more anti-sede propaganda, even though there’s been plenty of that for the last several decades.
Has anyone else had a problem with forwarding this article, using Outlook? It has blocked me from doing so three times already. Is Outlook now censoring its members?
"...the Holy See has embraced universal fraternity and interfaith dialogue, especially under Pope Francis." Yes, but the categorical inversion of the meaning and practice of ecumenism began before Vatican II and was then incorporated deeply into Nostra Aetate and subsequent papacies--all of them, with spectacles like the infamous Assisi par for the course. The Church is deeply compromised by weak men, poor catechesis, and the bitter fruits of the most awful Council ever to take place.
The current Pope received his position by towing the satanic Vatican’s wishes, firing bishop Strickland helped place the current pope on the track. I believe God is in charge, please prayer for the church of Peter.
I think what troubles many people isn’t dialogue itself, but the quiet shift from dialogue as a bridge to dialogue as a substitute for truth. When ecumenism stops being a path toward clarity and becomes an end in itself, it risks losing its moral center. Compassion without discernment can slowly turn into avoidance, and avoidance eventually has consequences. The harder question may be this: how does a Church remain genuinely open to others without becoming hesitant about what it stands for?
Nothing wrong with Nostra Aetate. The radical corruption of the document's meaning and intention is the doing of cowardly church leaders and the liberal political class, media influencers who cower under the boot of murderous, militants jihadists. "SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL" is their collective, quisling echo chamber response. Same thing happened during National Socialist Germany's saber rattling period burning books, smashing windows and spraying graffiti on storefronts before the roundups reaching its bloody climax with the unspeakable massacring of millions of untermenschen "enemies of the state" and the declaration of total war against the ancient people of the race of Abraham. The stormtroopers today are the millions of brainwashed, radicalized jihadists infested with bloodlust, after the blood of Jews and kafirs unwilling to bend to Allah's will as taught in the Koran. CONSIDER THIS: If only 1% of the two billion followers of Allah are radicalized Jihadists, that's 10 million who are waging war somewhere in the world through terrorism, subterfuge, infiltration to bring the world under the dominion of Islam.
Big timeworn with Nostra Aetate! It denies infallible teaching without cath0lic history.Only the catholic religion is God's will.
St. Pope John Paul II wrote beautifully about Nostra Aetate which he understood as addressing the common humanity of the three great monotheistic religions - Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. It was not about compromising the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church. Karol Wojtyla grew up in pre-war Poland with close friends in the Jewish community. Most of these families were wiped out
Let's remember, Catholic brothers and sisters, we are not infallible in our judgments, though we have strong opinions. We must be prudent and not fall into judging rashly (8th Commandment). Nostra Aetate is not the VCII hill I would decide to die on. I'd question Fr. John C. Murray's opinions in Dignitatis humanae (Declaration on Religious Liberty) first. Smacks of indifferentism.
All of it is indifferentism! Im sick of idolatry in Rome big time! JP2,who I question as being a saint, started the whole mess. Nostra Aetate is a mess. Truthj is more important than getting along dimly while holding hands. We've screwed up our priorities. Loving God first and foremost ,doing his will, which absolutely doesn't entail the garbage coming out of Rome since Vat2. Your thoughts smacks of modernism.
Diane, don't be so harsh and angry. Because someone doesnt agree with you, it does not call for a derogatory accusation. I was an editor for an independent Catholic paper in California reporting on "modernist" bishops and unfaithful priests. Latin Mass devotee. and I attend an Ordinariate parish in Texas. A scrupulous conscience and critical spirit can be a very sinful habit.
well stated
The Popes’s dismissal of the threat of a Islam in Europe as xenophobia came less than two weeks before the Chanukah slaughter of Jews by longtime Muslim residents of Australia.
Straight up...this pope is a coward who's mission is to fulfill the modernist one world religion pipedream. We are at the early stages of the ape of the Church prophesized long ago. I'll see you all in the catacombs. Pax
When warnings about real dangers are dismissed as xenophobia, the cost is often paid by the most vulnerable, not by those making the statements. Tragedies like this don’t come out of nowhere; they grow in the space between denial and moral hesitation. Naming a threat is not the same as condemning an entire people, but failing to name it leaves everyone less safe. The harder conversation we keep postponing is this: how do leaders balance compassion with moral clarity before violence forces the issue for them?
Leo is not loyal to the faith. Vat2 false religion is his faith!
Thr answer: President Donald Trump, who just yesterday ordered strikes against Nigerian Christian attackers.
Unfortunately the world does not understand we are in a time where the pope, if he is a valid pope, is most likely an Anti-pope and clearly a heretic. He constantly fails to defend the catholic faith as well as overtly and not so overtly undermine it just like his predecessor heretic pope.
Pope Leo, like his predecessor Pope Francis, seek the approval of man rather than God.
They lack supernatural faith. Francis in particular...a very wicked man.
Unfortunately this is the historical norm of the West. They made fun of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Vlad Dracul didn't find help with the Catholic Europe. The papacy is more concerned with the WEF antiChristian ghoulish project than the spiritual nihilism of Europe.
“Who is going to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
Bishop Fulton Sheen
The Pope is not speaking out against the murderers of thousands of Nigerian Catholics; he is encouraging dialog with them.
Thank you. Praying, praying, praying!
A similar story to that of Ayana Hirsi Ali-Ferguson, with a similar warning. When we we of the West heed the warning?!
If not even the Pope and the Vatican will speak up against the ongoing violence in Nigeria and Europe, God help us!
Excellent interview by Diane Montagna. BRAVO, Sabatina James, for her courage, documenting, witnessing as an exiled Pakistani, amplifying through her published book a piercing alarm to wake up the West. Rather than sending her book, "The Price of Love", to the U. S. Bishops, she should send copies to Pope Leo, Cardinal Parolin, and the Congregation (Dicastry) Prefects and select Republican congressmen like Rep. Chris Smith, House Committee on Foreign Affairs; U. S. Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee on the Foreign Relations Committee as well as select, impartial ambassadors to the U.N. Her witness reminds us of the heroic example of exiled Russian Nobel prize-winning author Alexander Solzhenitzyn's public speeches in the U. S. and U.K. (1974-1976) captured in the book, "Warning to the West" and more recently, exiled Uyghur activist, Rushan Abbas, who has detailed Communist China's ongoing genocidal campaign targeting the Uyghur minority in her book, "Unbroken". UNDENIABLY while communism continues to afflict societies suffering under their tyrannical yolk, savage, barbaric, murderous Jihadist Islam is the current worldwide scourge of free societies everywhere. The jihadist network is winning as Trojan horses attacking the weakened West through sovereign nations' inability to control their borders and through self-inflicted wounds caused by unfettered, indiscriminate immigration policies. The Vatican and U. S. Bishops' two legged stool message about welcoming the immigrant stranger without controlling public safety and the social welfare of a nation's citizens and residents is a naive, fraudulent, suicidal platitude; a twisted corruption of our Savior's message when publicly safety and nations' sovereign right to defend their borders are ignored. Behold Vatican and liberal political and media spokesmen cannot bring themselves to us the adjectives, illegal and undocumented, with the word IMMIGRANT. Blessings on the feast of Protomartyr St. STEPHEN, first canonized martyr. St. Stephen, pray for us!
I will personally deliver the copies myself!
“If the Vicar of Christ does not speak out against the persecution of Christians, then who on earth still can?”
Pope Leo XIV's favorite President (to criticize) can. As pointed out in the interview, President Trump just had the Nigerian government "authorize" a lethal strike on ISIS taking refuge in that islamic nation. The Vicar of Christ since St. Peter have been prone to betray Him. At least St. Peter repented. Clergy in western nations might claim dialog with muslims but would not have the courage to tell muslims what St. Peter proclaimed. Western clergy will not even say what St. Peter proclaimed to jews. Jesus Christ is God Incarnate and He is the King of kings, the Lord of lords. He is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. I just said it, so it must not be that hard unless one is subject to some kind of "ecumenical interreligious" agenda.
Sabatina James has the same courage St. Catherine of Siena has. I hope Pope Leo XIV listens just as that Avignon pope did.
Going as far back as the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s all the way to the U.S. in Iraq, it’s an indisputable fact that the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS were creations of collaborating Western intelligence communities. Israel’s funding of Hamas was well documented in the transcripts of Bibi Netanyahu’s lengthy corruption trial. Destabilization of the West has become the dismantling of the West. I’m pretty sure half the internet is taken up with the “NWO” narrative that’s been unraveling before our eyes for going on 50 years now.
Most likely true but the problem is we have created a monster and have no way to eliminate the problem. Well, actually there is but no one has the stomach for it (presently).
I would imagine the violent social upheaval that would necessarily be involved in correcting the problem was baked into the plan by the one worlders who executed it.
They have the guns but we have the numbers... Assuming the NWO doesn't initiate a nuclear exchange...they will continue to be exposed for who they are and are becoming more vulnerable to real pushback. Their problem is hubris and being evil...both of which makes one stupid.
I don’t think it’s the Vatican silence that’s driving Europe toward self-annihilation. It’s the fact that no one really cares what the Vatican has to say about anything that’s driving it. No one cares what the Conciliar-Synodal Church has to say. The influence was lost long ago. It’s possible that the sede position will get enough adherents that it will become a threat to the powers that be. If happens you’ll see a lot more anti-sede propaganda, even though there’s been plenty of that for the last several decades.
Has anyone else had a problem with forwarding this article, using Outlook? It has blocked me from doing so three times already. Is Outlook now censoring its members?