"...the Holy See has embraced universal fraternity and interfaith dialogue, especially under Pope Francis." Yes, but the categorical inversion of the meaning and practice of ecumenism began before Vatican II and was then incorporated deeply into Nostra Aetate and subsequent papacies--all of them, with spectacles like the infamous Assisi par for the course. The Church is deeply compromised by weak men, poor catechesis, and the bitter fruits of the most awful Council ever to take place.
I think what troubles many people isn’t dialogue itself, but the quiet shift from dialogue as a bridge to dialogue as a substitute for truth. When ecumenism stops being a path toward clarity and becomes an end in itself, it risks losing its moral center. Compassion without discernment can slowly turn into avoidance, and avoidance eventually has consequences. The harder question may be this: how does a Church remain genuinely open to others without becoming hesitant about what it stands for?
Dialogue is for Samaritans Romans pagans gentiles and even tax collectors. This is Nostra Aetate 1,2,4,5,6. But why have dialogue with the pharisees and sadducees? This is Nostra Aetate 3. Imagine ...
Intro
Hypothetical document published I don't know during the Cold War maybe even during Vatican 2 or this year or whatever year ...
... or maybe sometime during Pope Francis or yeah today re China's BRI and the agreement between Vatican and ccp especially that if Islam were exposed then the bri dies lol
(begin document)
A
The Church regards with esteem also the Communists.
B
They dedicate themselves to the vision of a just and equitable society, striving for the liberation of all humanity from exploitation and suffering, and honoring the dignity of every person. They labour unceasingly for the realization of a just society, seeking equality and fraternity among all peoples.
C
They take pains to adhere wholeheartedly to their principles of justice, solidarity, and equality,
D
Just as Marx and Engels, with whom many Communists take pleasure in linking their ideals, submitted to their understanding of historical progress and human liberation.
E
Though many Communists do not profess belief in Jesus as God, or any deity, many revere Him as a teacher of justice for the poor and oppressed.
F
Many also honor Mary, His virgin Mother, as a symbol of the worker’s dignity and maternal compassion for the downtrodden.
G
In addition, they strive for a future where justice and equality prevail, believing it will be a time when all people will receive the dignity and respect they deserve.
H
Finally, they value the moral life and promote their ideals through education, collective action, communal dedication, public service, and the pursuit of social justice & common good. They are steadfastly opposed to the exploitation of children, including practices such as child marriage, and work to protect the vulnerable in all societies.
Bonus1
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Communists, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
Bonus2
Post WW2 :
Laos is the least anti-semitic country, ahead of the Catholic Philippines, as of 2014 according to the ADL. The USSR was the top 3 in ethnically Jewish population and had initially 2x and later 10x total Jewish population over all Muslim countries. I think even 100x at 1 point. Stalin/the USSR & Czechoslovakia helped Israel 1947 to 1949 when the capitalists SHAMEFULLY FAILED to. Communists / citizens of communist countries won many Nobels & world chess championships. Many such Nobel laureates or world chess champions were ethnically Jewish.
Nothing wrong with Nostra Aetate. The radical corruption of the document's meaning and intention is the doing of cowardly church leaders and the liberal political class, media influencers who cower under the boot of murderous, militants jihadists. "SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL" is their collective, quisling echo chamber response. Same thing happened during National Socialist Germany's saber rattling period burning books, smashing windows and spraying graffiti on storefronts before the roundups reaching its bloody climax with the unspeakable massacring of millions of untermenschen "enemies of the state" and the declaration of total war against the ancient people of the race of Abraham. The stormtroopers today are the millions of brainwashed, radicalized jihadists infested with bloodlust, after the blood of Jews and kafirs unwilling to bend to Allah's will as taught in the Koran. CONSIDER THIS: If only 1% of the two billion followers of Allah are radicalized Jihadists, that's 10 million who are waging war somewhere in the world through terrorism, subterfuge, infiltration to bring the world under the dominion of Islam.
St. Pope John Paul II wrote beautifully about Nostra Aetate which he understood as addressing the common humanity of the three great monotheistic religions - Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. It was not about compromising the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church. Karol Wojtyla grew up in pre-war Poland with close friends in the Jewish community. Most of these families were wiped out
Dianne is correct!! Maybe that's why JP2 inserted the Catholic church into the world religion category at Assisi as just another religion and allowed Buddha to sit on top of the Blessed Sacrament tabernacle in 1985....maybe thats why he kissed the Koran as the word of God, contaminated the sanctuary and the altar vessels, allowed boxes of the Holy Eucharist to be spilled into the mud during World Youth gatherings and Hells Angels popping the Eucharist and chasing it with a "bud". The list goes on.
I was around when Pope John Paul II was in Assisi. Your interpretation is wrong. Beware how you misinterpret and criticize a canonized Pope. You're on a slippery slope towards establishing your own church! Who cares if Pope JPII kissed the Koran if he did. Did that mean he was submitting the magisterium of the Church to the Koran? Think about how ridiculous such a misguided opinion can be misinterpreted! Have you read what St Pope JPII wrote in Crossing the Threshold of Hope? We dialogue with the Moslems (2 billion of them)
to foster peace and goodwill! Would you rather we start a worldwide religious war?
So when did we last have a perfect Pope? Pope Pius XII? So now we're going to debate about sedevecantism? No thank you. The truth is not up for a majority vote. As for me and my house, we pray to St. Pope John Paul II. Whatever happened, read what SAINT Pope John Paul II wrote. He never compromised on the Church's infallible teaching:
'Extra ecclesiam nulla
salus", that is there is no salvation outside the
Church. But no human, not even a Pope, can determine the fate of every soul inside or outside the Church. Here's a good answer from Tim Staples of Catholic Answers.
check out The Great Facade by Christopher Ferrara if that does not do it see a psychiatrist. Incidentally, Nostra Aetate is a screw worm a tape worm inside the church feeding on its nutrients through blind, deaf, dumb, ignorant clerics who do not know the essentiality of a personally lived paschal mystery transformation through sanctifying grace. As for the Francis take on saint-ism, given he changed the process....I have a deceased cat named Naomi I submitted for canonization which fits well with his implemented Pachamama ritual in the south American Church.
You worship a pope not Jesus Christ. JP@ was a modernist, corrupted in academia seconded by Garrigue LaGrange who said he was a modernist's great Thomas. JP2 involved himself with the heresy of indifferentism from Vat2. Thats a fact.
What if pjp2 kissed mein kampf communist manifesto das kapital or the Indiana pi bill? Imagine :
Intro
Hypothetical document published I don't know during the Cold War maybe even during Vatican 2 or this year or whatever year ...
... or maybe sometime during Pope Francis or yeah today re China's BRI and the agreement between Vatican and ccp especially that if Islam were exposed then the bri dies lol
(begin document)
A
The Church regards with esteem also the Communists.
B
They dedicate themselves to the vision of a just and equitable society, striving for the liberation of all humanity from exploitation and suffering, and honoring the dignity of every person. They labour unceasingly for the realization of a just society, seeking equality and fraternity among all peoples.
C
They take pains to adhere wholeheartedly to their principles of justice, solidarity, and equality,
D
Just as Marx and Engels, with whom many Communists take pleasure in linking their ideals, submitted to their understanding of historical progress and human liberation.
E
Though many Communists do not profess belief in Jesus as God, or any deity, many revere Him as a teacher of justice for the poor and oppressed.
F
Many also honor Mary, His virgin Mother, as a symbol of the worker’s dignity and maternal compassion for the downtrodden.
G
In addition, they strive for a future where justice and equality prevail, believing it will be a time when all people will receive the dignity and respect they deserve.
H
Finally, they value the moral life and promote their ideals through education, collective action, communal dedication, public service, and the pursuit of social justice & common good. They are steadfastly opposed to the exploitation of children, including practices such as child marriage, and work to protect the vulnerable in all societies.
Bonus1
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Communists, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
Bonus2
Post WW2 :
Laos is the least anti-semitic country, ahead of the Catholic Philippines, as of 2014 according to the ADL. The USSR was the top 3 in ethnically Jewish population and had initially 2x and later 10x total Jewish population over all Muslim countries. I think even 100x at 1 point. Stalin/the USSR & Czechoslovakia helped Israel 1947 to 1949 when the capitalists SHAMEFULLY FAILED to. Communists / citizens of communist countries won many Nobels & world chess championships. Many such Nobel laureates or world chess champions were ethnically Jewish.
What is the humanity in Islam? When Mohammed raped Aisha and Safiyya and Rayhana? Or when Mohammed beheaded 600-900 Jews at Banu Qurayza including 10yo Jewish children and women?
Let's remember, Catholic brothers and sisters, we are not infallible in our judgments, though we have strong opinions. We must be prudent and not fall into judging rashly (8th Commandment). Nostra Aetate is not the VCII hill I would decide to die on. I'd question Fr. John C. Murray's opinions in Dignitatis humanae (Declaration on Religious Liberty) first. Smacks of indifferentism.
All of it is indifferentism! Im sick of idolatry in Rome big time! JP2,who I question as being a saint, started the whole mess. Nostra Aetate is a mess. Truthj is more important than getting along dimly while holding hands. We've screwed up our priorities. Loving God first and foremost ,doing his will, which absolutely doesn't entail the garbage coming out of Rome since Vat2. Your thoughts smacks of modernism.
Diane, don't be so harsh and angry. Because someone doesnt agree with you, it does not call for a derogatory accusation. I was an editor for an independent Catholic paper in California reporting on "modernist" bishops and unfaithful priests. Latin Mass devotee. and I attend an Ordinariate parish in Texas. A scrupulous conscience and critical spirit can be a very sinful habit.
What about 100,000 Christians murdered in Nigeria by muslims.Your comment makes NO sense. Nostra Aetate should be clear as rain but it's dark as mud. It was written by modernists, it doesn't need cowardly church leaders or the political class to spread its chaos ,it does it all by itself.
This doc helps the spread of Islam ,it does not hinder it.
The religious persecution and massacres of Christians in Nigeria by Moslems has nothing to do with Nostra Aetate. Your argument is what doesn't make sense. Completely irrational. Moslems and Jews need conversion but you cannot accuse and condemn two billion Moslems of murderous fanaticism and jihadism whose violent adherents should be fought and conquered. Neither can we accuse the religion of baptized Christians - Catholic and Lutheran predominantly - who fought in the German Werhmacht forces in WWII, following orders of the Nazi regime and participated in the slaughter of 10s of millions of victims in Europe of Nazi atrocities
Islam is not a religion of peace. This is true but many Moslems do not desire to live under strict Sharia law. Conversion is the answer. Jesus Christ is their Savior too. Remarkably many conversions are taking place in Iran. Also Hindus in India. Conversions by Jews in Israel are also rising. Over 1 million Jews in America have converted to the Christian faith. This is all good news.
What do you think of this? Lol. By the way there are not 2 billion followers of Allah. Many of them are hostages If you say only 1 million are doing this or that then there are only 1 million Muslims. Yosha Iglesias is not a woman.
Intro
Hypothetical document published I don't know during the Cold War maybe even during Vatican 2 or this year or whatever year ...
... or maybe sometime during Pope Francis or yeah today re China's BRI and the agreement between Vatican and ccp especially that if Islam were exposed then the bri dies lol
(begin document)
A
The Church regards with esteem also the Communists.
B
They dedicate themselves to the vision of a just and equitable society, striving for the liberation of all humanity from exploitation and suffering, and honoring the dignity of every person. They labour unceasingly for the realization of a just society, seeking equality and fraternity among all peoples.
C
They take pains to adhere wholeheartedly to their principles of justice, solidarity, and equality,
D
Just as Marx and Engels, with whom many Communists take pleasure in linking their ideals, submitted to their understanding of historical progress and human liberation.
E
Though many Communists do not profess belief in Jesus as God, or any deity, many revere Him as a teacher of justice for the poor and oppressed.
F
Many also honor Mary, His virgin Mother, as a symbol of the worker’s dignity and maternal compassion for the downtrodden.
G
In addition, they strive for a future where justice and equality prevail, believing it will be a time when all people will receive the dignity and respect they deserve.
H
Finally, they value the moral life and promote their ideals through education, collective action, communal dedication, public service, and the pursuit of social justice & common good. They are steadfastly opposed to the exploitation of children, including practices such as child marriage, and work to protect the vulnerable in all societies.
Bonus1
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Communists, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
Bonus2
Post WW2 :
Laos is the least anti-semitic country, ahead of the Catholic Philippines, as of 2014 according to the ADL. The USSR was the top 3 in ethnically Jewish population and had initially 2x and later 10x total Jewish population over all Muslim countries. I think even 100x at 1 point. Stalin/the USSR & Czechoslovakia helped Israel 1947 to 1949 when the capitalists SHAMEFULLY FAILED to. Communists / citizens of communist countries won many Nobels & world chess championships. Many such Nobel laureates or world chess champions were ethnically Jewish.
They are the masonic creed. It was incorporated in Vat2 and masons were infiltrated in the curia. Cardinal Gagnion uncovered a slew of masons in the vatican and JP2 did nothing. Gagnion had to pester him to get rid of Baggio who was in charge of bishops and
JP2 finally did . What does that tell you about JP2
The Popes’s dismissal of the threat of a Islam in Europe as xenophobia came less than two weeks before the Chanukah slaughter of Jews by longtime Muslim residents of Australia.
Straight up...this pope is a coward who's mission is to fulfill the modernist one world religion pipedream. We are at the early stages of the ape of the Church prophesized long ago. I'll see you all in the catacombs. Pax
When warnings about real dangers are dismissed as xenophobia, the cost is often paid by the most vulnerable, not by those making the statements. Tragedies like this don’t come out of nowhere; they grow in the space between denial and moral hesitation. Naming a threat is not the same as condemning an entire people, but failing to name it leaves everyone less safe. The harder conversation we keep postponing is this: how do leaders balance compassion with moral clarity before violence forces the issue for them?
“Who is going to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
Unfortunately this is the historical norm of the West. They made fun of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Vlad Dracul didn't find help with the Catholic Europe. The papacy is more concerned with the WEF antiChristian ghoulish project than the spiritual nihilism of Europe.
Unfortunately the world does not understand we are in a time where the pope, if he is a valid pope, is most likely an Anti-pope and clearly a heretic. He constantly fails to defend the catholic faith as well as overtly and not so overtly undermine it just like his predecessor heretic pope.
“If the Vicar of Christ does not speak out against the persecution of Christians, then who on earth still can?”
Pope Leo XIV's favorite President (to criticize) can. As pointed out in the interview, President Trump just had the Nigerian government "authorize" a lethal strike on ISIS taking refuge in that islamic nation. The Vicar of Christ since St. Peter have been prone to betray Him. At least St. Peter repented. Clergy in western nations might claim dialog with muslims but would not have the courage to tell muslims what St. Peter proclaimed. Western clergy will not even say what St. Peter proclaimed to jews. Jesus Christ is God Incarnate and He is the King of kings, the Lord of lords. He is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. I just said it, so it must not be that hard unless one is subject to some kind of "ecumenical interreligious" agenda.
Sabatina James has the same courage St. Catherine of Siena has. I hope Pope Leo XIV listens just as that Avignon pope did.
It could be like John and Peter Peter is the Pope the coward but John is the courageous one behold your mother and then Trump even celebrated the immaculate conception?
Cardinal Parolin must be removed as Vatican Secretary of State. Pope Leo needs advisors guided by the Holy Spirit: Burke, Muller, Sarah, Zen, Schneider
Why do you blame any clergy besides the Pope? Like the Pope doesn't know about Aisha? It sounds like you're saying Parolin is like Long Feng in the ba sing se conspiracy in ATLA?
This article comes at a perfect time. Your insights, particularly Sabatina's warning on human rights, are crucial. It's a tricky algorithm to debug, finding the right balance. Perhaps focusing on universal humanist valuues strengthens Europe more than anything. Something to chew on.
Excellent interview by Diane Montagna. BRAVO, Sabatina James, for her courage, documenting, witnessing as an exiled Pakistani, amplifying through her published book a piercing alarm to wake up the West. Rather than sending her book, "The Price of Love", to the U. S. Bishops, she should send copies to Pope Leo, Cardinal Parolin, and the Congregation (Dicastry) Prefects and select Republican congressmen like Rep. Chris Smith, House Committee on Foreign Affairs; U. S. Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee on the Foreign Relations Committee as well as select, impartial ambassadors to the U.N. Her witness reminds us of the heroic example of exiled Russian Nobel prize-winning author Alexander Solzhenitzyn's public speeches in the U. S. and U.K. (1974-1976) captured in the book, "Warning to the West" and more recently, exiled Uyghur activist, Rushan Abbas, who has detailed Communist China's ongoing genocidal campaign targeting the Uyghur minority in her book, "Unbroken". UNDENIABLY while communism continues to afflict societies suffering under their tyrannical yolk, savage, barbaric, murderous Jihadist Islam is the current worldwide scourge of free societies everywhere. The jihadist network is winning as Trojan horses attacking the weakened West through sovereign nations' inability to control their borders and through self-inflicted wounds caused by unfettered, indiscriminate immigration policies. The Vatican and U. S. Bishops' two legged stool message about welcoming the immigrant stranger without controlling public safety and the social welfare of a nation's citizens and residents is a naive, fraudulent, suicidal platitude; a twisted corruption of our Savior's message when publicly safety and nations' sovereign right to defend their borders are ignored. Behold Vatican and liberal political and media spokesmen cannot bring themselves to us the adjectives, illegal and undocumented, with the word IMMIGRANT. Blessings on the feast of Protomartyr St. STEPHEN, first canonized martyr. St. Stephen, pray for us!
"...the Holy See has embraced universal fraternity and interfaith dialogue, especially under Pope Francis." Yes, but the categorical inversion of the meaning and practice of ecumenism began before Vatican II and was then incorporated deeply into Nostra Aetate and subsequent papacies--all of them, with spectacles like the infamous Assisi par for the course. The Church is deeply compromised by weak men, poor catechesis, and the bitter fruits of the most awful Council ever to take place.
I think what troubles many people isn’t dialogue itself, but the quiet shift from dialogue as a bridge to dialogue as a substitute for truth. When ecumenism stops being a path toward clarity and becomes an end in itself, it risks losing its moral center. Compassion without discernment can slowly turn into avoidance, and avoidance eventually has consequences. The harder question may be this: how does a Church remain genuinely open to others without becoming hesitant about what it stands for?
Dialogue is for Samaritans Romans pagans gentiles and even tax collectors. This is Nostra Aetate 1,2,4,5,6. But why have dialogue with the pharisees and sadducees? This is Nostra Aetate 3. Imagine ...
Intro
Hypothetical document published I don't know during the Cold War maybe even during Vatican 2 or this year or whatever year ...
... or maybe sometime during Pope Francis or yeah today re China's BRI and the agreement between Vatican and ccp especially that if Islam were exposed then the bri dies lol
(begin document)
A
The Church regards with esteem also the Communists.
B
They dedicate themselves to the vision of a just and equitable society, striving for the liberation of all humanity from exploitation and suffering, and honoring the dignity of every person. They labour unceasingly for the realization of a just society, seeking equality and fraternity among all peoples.
C
They take pains to adhere wholeheartedly to their principles of justice, solidarity, and equality,
D
Just as Marx and Engels, with whom many Communists take pleasure in linking their ideals, submitted to their understanding of historical progress and human liberation.
E
Though many Communists do not profess belief in Jesus as God, or any deity, many revere Him as a teacher of justice for the poor and oppressed.
F
Many also honor Mary, His virgin Mother, as a symbol of the worker’s dignity and maternal compassion for the downtrodden.
G
In addition, they strive for a future where justice and equality prevail, believing it will be a time when all people will receive the dignity and respect they deserve.
H
Finally, they value the moral life and promote their ideals through education, collective action, communal dedication, public service, and the pursuit of social justice & common good. They are steadfastly opposed to the exploitation of children, including practices such as child marriage, and work to protect the vulnerable in all societies.
Bonus1
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Communists, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
Bonus2
Post WW2 :
Laos is the least anti-semitic country, ahead of the Catholic Philippines, as of 2014 according to the ADL. The USSR was the top 3 in ethnically Jewish population and had initially 2x and later 10x total Jewish population over all Muslim countries. I think even 100x at 1 point. Stalin/the USSR & Czechoslovakia helped Israel 1947 to 1949 when the capitalists SHAMEFULLY FAILED to. Communists / citizens of communist countries won many Nobels & world chess championships. Many such Nobel laureates or world chess champions were ethnically Jewish.
(end document)
Yes, there is authentic ecumenism and false ecumenism, another word for appeasement, pusillanimity and disguised surrender.
Nothing wrong with Nostra Aetate. The radical corruption of the document's meaning and intention is the doing of cowardly church leaders and the liberal political class, media influencers who cower under the boot of murderous, militants jihadists. "SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL" is their collective, quisling echo chamber response. Same thing happened during National Socialist Germany's saber rattling period burning books, smashing windows and spraying graffiti on storefronts before the roundups reaching its bloody climax with the unspeakable massacring of millions of untermenschen "enemies of the state" and the declaration of total war against the ancient people of the race of Abraham. The stormtroopers today are the millions of brainwashed, radicalized jihadists infested with bloodlust, after the blood of Jews and kafirs unwilling to bend to Allah's will as taught in the Koran. CONSIDER THIS: If only 1% of the two billion followers of Allah are radicalized Jihadists, that's 10 million who are waging war somewhere in the world through terrorism, subterfuge, infiltration to bring the world under the dominion of Islam.
Big timeworn with Nostra Aetate! It denies infallible teaching without cath0lic history.Only the catholic religion is God's will.
What is wrong with Nostra Aetate 1,2,4,5,6? Lol
1
Was Nostra Aetate 3 written by Satan?
2
If yes k.
If no how do you disprove?
St. Pope John Paul II wrote beautifully about Nostra Aetate which he understood as addressing the common humanity of the three great monotheistic religions - Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. It was not about compromising the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church. Karol Wojtyla grew up in pre-war Poland with close friends in the Jewish community. Most of these families were wiped out
Dianne is correct!! Maybe that's why JP2 inserted the Catholic church into the world religion category at Assisi as just another religion and allowed Buddha to sit on top of the Blessed Sacrament tabernacle in 1985....maybe thats why he kissed the Koran as the word of God, contaminated the sanctuary and the altar vessels, allowed boxes of the Holy Eucharist to be spilled into the mud during World Youth gatherings and Hells Angels popping the Eucharist and chasing it with a "bud". The list goes on.
Kissing quran is bad but what's wrong with the Buddha thing? Did Buddha rape a 9yo girl and 2 Jews and behead 600-900 Jews ?
I was around when Pope John Paul II was in Assisi. Your interpretation is wrong. Beware how you misinterpret and criticize a canonized Pope. You're on a slippery slope towards establishing your own church! Who cares if Pope JPII kissed the Koran if he did. Did that mean he was submitting the magisterium of the Church to the Koran? Think about how ridiculous such a misguided opinion can be misinterpreted! Have you read what St Pope JPII wrote in Crossing the Threshold of Hope? We dialogue with the Moslems (2 billion of them)
to foster peace and goodwill! Would you rather we start a worldwide religious war?
So when did we last have a perfect Pope? Pope Pius XII? So now we're going to debate about sedevecantism? No thank you. The truth is not up for a majority vote. As for me and my house, we pray to St. Pope John Paul II. Whatever happened, read what SAINT Pope John Paul II wrote. He never compromised on the Church's infallible teaching:
'Extra ecclesiam nulla
salus", that is there is no salvation outside the
Church. But no human, not even a Pope, can determine the fate of every soul inside or outside the Church. Here's a good answer from Tim Staples of Catholic Answers.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
St. John the Apostle and Evangelist, pray for us.
check out The Great Facade by Christopher Ferrara if that does not do it see a psychiatrist. Incidentally, Nostra Aetate is a screw worm a tape worm inside the church feeding on its nutrients through blind, deaf, dumb, ignorant clerics who do not know the essentiality of a personally lived paschal mystery transformation through sanctifying grace. As for the Francis take on saint-ism, given he changed the process....I have a deceased cat named Naomi I submitted for canonization which fits well with his implemented Pachamama ritual in the south American Church.
JP2 participated in idol worship,I was around too. No need for excused //live in your dreamworld of Holy roller John Paul!
You worship a pope not Jesus Christ. JP@ was a modernist, corrupted in academia seconded by Garrigue LaGrange who said he was a modernist's great Thomas. JP2 involved himself with the heresy of indifferentism from Vat2. Thats a fact.
What if pjp2 kissed mein kampf communist manifesto das kapital or the Indiana pi bill? Imagine :
Intro
Hypothetical document published I don't know during the Cold War maybe even during Vatican 2 or this year or whatever year ...
... or maybe sometime during Pope Francis or yeah today re China's BRI and the agreement between Vatican and ccp especially that if Islam were exposed then the bri dies lol
(begin document)
A
The Church regards with esteem also the Communists.
B
They dedicate themselves to the vision of a just and equitable society, striving for the liberation of all humanity from exploitation and suffering, and honoring the dignity of every person. They labour unceasingly for the realization of a just society, seeking equality and fraternity among all peoples.
C
They take pains to adhere wholeheartedly to their principles of justice, solidarity, and equality,
D
Just as Marx and Engels, with whom many Communists take pleasure in linking their ideals, submitted to their understanding of historical progress and human liberation.
E
Though many Communists do not profess belief in Jesus as God, or any deity, many revere Him as a teacher of justice for the poor and oppressed.
F
Many also honor Mary, His virgin Mother, as a symbol of the worker’s dignity and maternal compassion for the downtrodden.
G
In addition, they strive for a future where justice and equality prevail, believing it will be a time when all people will receive the dignity and respect they deserve.
H
Finally, they value the moral life and promote their ideals through education, collective action, communal dedication, public service, and the pursuit of social justice & common good. They are steadfastly opposed to the exploitation of children, including practices such as child marriage, and work to protect the vulnerable in all societies.
Bonus1
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Communists, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
Bonus2
Post WW2 :
Laos is the least anti-semitic country, ahead of the Catholic Philippines, as of 2014 according to the ADL. The USSR was the top 3 in ethnically Jewish population and had initially 2x and later 10x total Jewish population over all Muslim countries. I think even 100x at 1 point. Stalin/the USSR & Czechoslovakia helped Israel 1947 to 1949 when the capitalists SHAMEFULLY FAILED to. Communists / citizens of communist countries won many Nobels & world chess championships. Many such Nobel laureates or world chess champions were ethnically Jewish.
(end document)
What is the humanity in Islam? When Mohammed raped Aisha and Safiyya and Rayhana? Or when Mohammed beheaded 600-900 Jews at Banu Qurayza including 10yo Jewish children and women?
Let's remember, Catholic brothers and sisters, we are not infallible in our judgments, though we have strong opinions. We must be prudent and not fall into judging rashly (8th Commandment). Nostra Aetate is not the VCII hill I would decide to die on. I'd question Fr. John C. Murray's opinions in Dignitatis humanae (Declaration on Religious Liberty) first. Smacks of indifferentism.
All of it is indifferentism! Im sick of idolatry in Rome big time! JP2,who I question as being a saint, started the whole mess. Nostra Aetate is a mess. Truthj is more important than getting along dimly while holding hands. We've screwed up our priorities. Loving God first and foremost ,doing his will, which absolutely doesn't entail the garbage coming out of Rome since Vat2. Your thoughts smacks of modernism.
Diane, don't be so harsh and angry. Because someone doesnt agree with you, it does not call for a derogatory accusation. I was an editor for an independent Catholic paper in California reporting on "modernist" bishops and unfaithful priests. Latin Mass devotee. and I attend an Ordinariate parish in Texas. A scrupulous conscience and critical spirit can be a very sinful habit.
What about 100,000 Christians murdered in Nigeria by muslims.Your comment makes NO sense. Nostra Aetate should be clear as rain but it's dark as mud. It was written by modernists, it doesn't need cowardly church leaders or the political class to spread its chaos ,it does it all by itself.
This doc helps the spread of Islam ,it does not hinder it.
The religious persecution and massacres of Christians in Nigeria by Moslems has nothing to do with Nostra Aetate. Your argument is what doesn't make sense. Completely irrational. Moslems and Jews need conversion but you cannot accuse and condemn two billion Moslems of murderous fanaticism and jihadism whose violent adherents should be fought and conquered. Neither can we accuse the religion of baptized Christians - Catholic and Lutheran predominantly - who fought in the German Werhmacht forces in WWII, following orders of the Nazi regime and participated in the slaughter of 10s of millions of victims in Europe of Nazi atrocities
Islam is not a religion of peace. This is true but many Moslems do not desire to live under strict Sharia law. Conversion is the answer. Jesus Christ is their Savior too. Remarkably many conversions are taking place in Iran. Also Hindus in India. Conversions by Jews in Israel are also rising. Over 1 million Jews in America have converted to the Christian faith. This is all good news.
So holocaust has nothing to do with Reichskonkordat Munich haavara Molotov-Ribbentrop?
What do you think of this? Lol. By the way there are not 2 billion followers of Allah. Many of them are hostages If you say only 1 million are doing this or that then there are only 1 million Muslims. Yosha Iglesias is not a woman.
Intro
Hypothetical document published I don't know during the Cold War maybe even during Vatican 2 or this year or whatever year ...
... or maybe sometime during Pope Francis or yeah today re China's BRI and the agreement between Vatican and ccp especially that if Islam were exposed then the bri dies lol
(begin document)
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The Church regards with esteem also the Communists.
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They dedicate themselves to the vision of a just and equitable society, striving for the liberation of all humanity from exploitation and suffering, and honoring the dignity of every person. They labour unceasingly for the realization of a just society, seeking equality and fraternity among all peoples.
C
They take pains to adhere wholeheartedly to their principles of justice, solidarity, and equality,
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Just as Marx and Engels, with whom many Communists take pleasure in linking their ideals, submitted to their understanding of historical progress and human liberation.
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Though many Communists do not profess belief in Jesus as God, or any deity, many revere Him as a teacher of justice for the poor and oppressed.
F
Many also honor Mary, His virgin Mother, as a symbol of the worker’s dignity and maternal compassion for the downtrodden.
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In addition, they strive for a future where justice and equality prevail, believing it will be a time when all people will receive the dignity and respect they deserve.
H
Finally, they value the moral life and promote their ideals through education, collective action, communal dedication, public service, and the pursuit of social justice & common good. They are steadfastly opposed to the exploitation of children, including practices such as child marriage, and work to protect the vulnerable in all societies.
Bonus1
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Communists, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
Bonus2
Post WW2 :
Laos is the least anti-semitic country, ahead of the Catholic Philippines, as of 2014 according to the ADL. The USSR was the top 3 in ethnically Jewish population and had initially 2x and later 10x total Jewish population over all Muslim countries. I think even 100x at 1 point. Stalin/the USSR & Czechoslovakia helped Israel 1947 to 1949 when the capitalists SHAMEFULLY FAILED to. Communists / citizens of communist countries won many Nobels & world chess championships. Many such Nobel laureates or world chess champions were ethnically Jewish.
(end document)
well stated
They are the masonic creed. It was incorporated in Vat2 and masons were infiltrated in the curia. Cardinal Gagnion uncovered a slew of masons in the vatican and JP2 did nothing. Gagnion had to pester him to get rid of Baggio who was in charge of bishops and
JP2 finally did . What does that tell you about JP2
The Popes’s dismissal of the threat of a Islam in Europe as xenophobia came less than two weeks before the Chanukah slaughter of Jews by longtime Muslim residents of Australia.
Straight up...this pope is a coward who's mission is to fulfill the modernist one world religion pipedream. We are at the early stages of the ape of the Church prophesized long ago. I'll see you all in the catacombs. Pax
When warnings about real dangers are dismissed as xenophobia, the cost is often paid by the most vulnerable, not by those making the statements. Tragedies like this don’t come out of nowhere; they grow in the space between denial and moral hesitation. Naming a threat is not the same as condemning an entire people, but failing to name it leaves everyone less safe. The harder conversation we keep postponing is this: how do leaders balance compassion with moral clarity before violence forces the issue for them?
Leo is not loyal to the faith. Vat2 false religion is his faith!
“Who is going to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save the Church.
Bishop Fulton Sheen
Thr answer: President Donald Trump, who just yesterday ordered strikes against Nigerian Christian attackers.
Unfortunately this is the historical norm of the West. They made fun of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Vlad Dracul didn't find help with the Catholic Europe. The papacy is more concerned with the WEF antiChristian ghoulish project than the spiritual nihilism of Europe.
Unfortunately the world does not understand we are in a time where the pope, if he is a valid pope, is most likely an Anti-pope and clearly a heretic. He constantly fails to defend the catholic faith as well as overtly and not so overtly undermine it just like his predecessor heretic pope.
“If the Vicar of Christ does not speak out against the persecution of Christians, then who on earth still can?”
Pope Leo XIV's favorite President (to criticize) can. As pointed out in the interview, President Trump just had the Nigerian government "authorize" a lethal strike on ISIS taking refuge in that islamic nation. The Vicar of Christ since St. Peter have been prone to betray Him. At least St. Peter repented. Clergy in western nations might claim dialog with muslims but would not have the courage to tell muslims what St. Peter proclaimed. Western clergy will not even say what St. Peter proclaimed to jews. Jesus Christ is God Incarnate and He is the King of kings, the Lord of lords. He is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. I just said it, so it must not be that hard unless one is subject to some kind of "ecumenical interreligious" agenda.
Sabatina James has the same courage St. Catherine of Siena has. I hope Pope Leo XIV listens just as that Avignon pope did.
Matthew 16:18-23 vs Acts 5:29? Pentecost 2.0 is pre-requisite for Parousia?
It could be like John and Peter Peter is the Pope the coward but John is the courageous one behold your mother and then Trump even celebrated the immaculate conception?
The Pope is not speaking out against the murderers of thousands of Nigerian Catholics; he is encouraging dialog with them.
Pope Leo, like his predecessor Pope Francis, seek the approval of man rather than God.
They lack supernatural faith. Francis in particular...a very wicked man.
Matthew 16:18-23 vs Acts 5:29? Pentecost 2.0 is pre-requisite for Parousia?
You do realize that it is dubious that Francis was legitimately the pope
I sent you pm
What do you mean?
Benedict could not abdicate the any facet of the pope
Matthew 16:18-23 vs Acts 5:29? Pentecost 2.0 is pre-requisite for Parousia?
Benedict should never have apologized for the Regensburg Lecture. All that he called for was reasonable dialogue.
Cardinal Parolin must be removed as Vatican Secretary of State. Pope Leo needs advisors guided by the Holy Spirit: Burke, Muller, Sarah, Zen, Schneider
Why do you blame any clergy besides the Pope? Like the Pope doesn't know about Aisha? It sounds like you're saying Parolin is like Long Feng in the ba sing se conspiracy in ATLA?
A similar story to that of Ayana Hirsi Ali-Ferguson, with a similar warning. When we we of the West heed the warning?!
This article comes at a perfect time. Your insights, particularly Sabatina's warning on human rights, are crucial. It's a tricky algorithm to debug, finding the right balance. Perhaps focusing on universal humanist valuues strengthens Europe more than anything. Something to chew on.
If not even the Pope and the Vatican will speak up against the ongoing violence in Nigeria and Europe, God help us!
Excellent interview by Diane Montagna. BRAVO, Sabatina James, for her courage, documenting, witnessing as an exiled Pakistani, amplifying through her published book a piercing alarm to wake up the West. Rather than sending her book, "The Price of Love", to the U. S. Bishops, she should send copies to Pope Leo, Cardinal Parolin, and the Congregation (Dicastry) Prefects and select Republican congressmen like Rep. Chris Smith, House Committee on Foreign Affairs; U. S. Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee on the Foreign Relations Committee as well as select, impartial ambassadors to the U.N. Her witness reminds us of the heroic example of exiled Russian Nobel prize-winning author Alexander Solzhenitzyn's public speeches in the U. S. and U.K. (1974-1976) captured in the book, "Warning to the West" and more recently, exiled Uyghur activist, Rushan Abbas, who has detailed Communist China's ongoing genocidal campaign targeting the Uyghur minority in her book, "Unbroken". UNDENIABLY while communism continues to afflict societies suffering under their tyrannical yolk, savage, barbaric, murderous Jihadist Islam is the current worldwide scourge of free societies everywhere. The jihadist network is winning as Trojan horses attacking the weakened West through sovereign nations' inability to control their borders and through self-inflicted wounds caused by unfettered, indiscriminate immigration policies. The Vatican and U. S. Bishops' two legged stool message about welcoming the immigrant stranger without controlling public safety and the social welfare of a nation's citizens and residents is a naive, fraudulent, suicidal platitude; a twisted corruption of our Savior's message when publicly safety and nations' sovereign right to defend their borders are ignored. Behold Vatican and liberal political and media spokesmen cannot bring themselves to us the adjectives, illegal and undocumented, with the word IMMIGRANT. Blessings on the feast of Protomartyr St. STEPHEN, first canonized martyr. St. Stephen, pray for us!
I will personally deliver the copies myself!
Thank you. Praying, praying, praying!
The Document on Universal Fraternity . . . is, to quote the late Rod Serling, "IT'S A COOK-BOOK!" and we are now being slowly cooked.