I’ll make this very easy for Pope Leo: the entirety of the German Bishops Conference with the exception of Cardinal Mueller and any priest, religious, or layperson in Germany that is on this path should be given their options - stop what you’re doing, or be on the business end of a latae sentiae excommunication. Period.
Need it be said that Janus is two-faced, hence not truthful (check your pagan deities if you are unfamiliar with the god, Janus)… And who is the *source* of untruth in our Catholic moral dispensation? So there, QED…
It's not "the Catholic Church for God's sake." Christ did not institute the Catholic Church for His own sake, but for ours. But for it to fulfil it's God-given purpose, it is vitally necessary that the the Church be preserved in the form in which it has been received from Christ. At the Annunciation, the Mary conceived in her spotless virginal womb the Incarnate Word and Head of the Church by means of her intimate spousal union with the Holy Spirit. At Pentecost, by that same intimate spousal union. Mary conceived in the spotless womb of her Immaculate Heart the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth, the Catholic Church. It is not ours to tinker with and reorder according to our own corrupt notions, and those who try will pay a terrible price for doing so.
As Fr. Gabriel stresses in his "Divine Intimacy," everything that Jesus said and did, He did to glorify His Father. So you are mistaken -- He did indeed institute the Catholic Church for God's sake. . . . and for ours.
I did not misunderstand it. I am well familiar with the expression "for God's sake" which usually conveys a sense of exasperation. But "It's the Catholic Church for God's sake" is essentially meaningless as a qualifier in the way in which you used it. Most people who are not committed, knowledgeable Catholics, if they responded at all, would probably respond "So what?"
POWERFUL German Cardinal Reinhard Marx surely is a spiritual son of Martin Luther. Rebellious, obstinate. Too often violates his solemn oath of obedience and fidelity to the Pope and vow to adhere to the doctrines of the faith as a Cardinal of the Catholic Church. Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis warned of the schismatic bent of the German hierarchy as Diane has reported. Too bad Marx is three years away from retirement. Pope Francis declined to accept Cdl. Marx's resignation in 2021 as the Archbishop of Munich and Friesing when Marx was embroiled in sex abuse scandals of the clergy in his archdiocese. He can continue to instigate quite a bit of mischief. Germany is the third top Peter's Pence donor behind the U.S. and Italy. I suspect recent Popes treat the German hierarchy with kid gloves for financial reasons. BTW no surprise for most Catholics, the Vatican has substantial structural deficits of $78 million in 2024 and $717 million in pension fund deficits. Pope Leo was left with a tremendous financial burden by his predecessor.
Francis had opportunity to end this madness but he didn’t! If Pope Leo doesn’t end this madness, it will show he doesn’t have the courage to end this and then why listen to anything he says from that point on!
There is no 'ending' it by edict. It will continue, either as division within the Church or schism without. Either way we all lose. Only repentance and adherence to true teaching will end it properly.
The plain truth is that the feared schism is a present fact, not something to be awaited in the future. All that need be done now is to acknowledge this reality. The German episcopate frames itself a body of contrarian protracted adolescents drunk on their own notions. They want the formal fracture and to take their piggy bank into the basement and count all their euros to their hearts content. They constitute a cancer, metastasizing in the Universal Church.
Cease, or be cut out. There is no unity with mendacity.
Should the Germans push the envelope they will be providing Pope Leo his defining moment. Faithful Catholic Germans will remain. Those who have already abandoned the Christ's Church are well down the path to their pitiful destiny.
Agree with you, James. The German bishops conference is playing a dangerous game of chicken. Sliding down the slippery slope like greased pigs into the lap of Protestantism. Papal courage is needed now. Our Church's Founder will bless faithfulness.
It seems money is behind this. Women as deacons would likely seek paid positions. Maybe they need to find another was to manage their wealth. Unfortunately they are likely Freemasons who can’t fathom letting go of some wealth and the control it gives them.
The whole situation is outrageous. More Protestant thinking.
Isn't it a terrifying irony, witnessing the state of the Catholic Church today that spiritual progeny of Martin Luther are elevated and honored as powerful princes of the Church like Cardinal Reinhard Marx while a faithful bishop, watchman on the wall, son of St. Athanasius and St. John the Baptist, is exiled and relegated to the rank of a banished leper? I'm speaking of Bishop Joseph Strickland. One clear, uncompromising voice whom Francis and confederates could not abide. Hear the good bishop's recent reflection:
BISHOP STRICKLAND PODCAST.EXILED BY HIS OWN - Pillars of Faith
Obviously Germany is begging to be excommunicated. How many popes have to say no? It looks like Martin Luther still lives in that horribly, heretical country. Wait, they gave up their country to be part of a union that is morphing into Islam. I wish the Church could have another pontiff like Pius X. We need him in this age of modernist heresy.
Well Cardinal Marx(ist) why don't you just include the Muslims and Presbyterians in to the vote in your heretical "synodal" process? Seriously though, this guy should be excommunicated for his sins against the Universal Church, all of Catholicism.
It's all about the German money. This is a test of whether Leo is prepared to do without it for the sake of the Universal Church. The China debacle doesn't bode well.
This reminds me of the Nazi growth in Germany 1933 to 1939. There were opportunities to stop it when it was weak but those opportunities were not taken. Just so with the German Synod. The Vatican just kept kicking the can down the road and now here we are.
I’ll make this very easy for Pope Leo: the entirety of the German Bishops Conference with the exception of Cardinal Mueller and any priest, religious, or layperson in Germany that is on this path should be given their options - stop what you’re doing, or be on the business end of a latae sentiae excommunication. Period.
Thank you for your great work. From Lima, Perú.
You are correct. Just need to make it official.
Need it be said that Janus is two-faced, hence not truthful (check your pagan deities if you are unfamiliar with the god, Janus)… And who is the *source* of untruth in our Catholic moral dispensation? So there, QED…
Is that the one where we get the month of January from?
The month of January is named for him, and his festival took place on January 9, the Agonium. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Janus-Roman-god
Who are these “educated Catholics” who should “handle” things?
Educated catholics? Prevost, the Cardinals? Greg has a point, and I don't know he's acting like he knows it all. Opinions people!
LOL..tell your leaders not to be douches so they can learn to preach and learn YOUR FAITH!
Whoa,
LOL
Only MEN on the altar.
And no lay people making important decisions.
It’s the CATHOLIC CHURCH
for God’s sake
It's not "the Catholic Church for God's sake." Christ did not institute the Catholic Church for His own sake, but for ours. But for it to fulfil it's God-given purpose, it is vitally necessary that the the Church be preserved in the form in which it has been received from Christ. At the Annunciation, the Mary conceived in her spotless virginal womb the Incarnate Word and Head of the Church by means of her intimate spousal union with the Holy Spirit. At Pentecost, by that same intimate spousal union. Mary conceived in the spotless womb of her Immaculate Heart the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth, the Catholic Church. It is not ours to tinker with and reorder according to our own corrupt notions, and those who try will pay a terrible price for doing so.
You seem to have misunderstood my “expletive “!
I was not saying God instituted the Church for His sake.
The words were an expression of my exasperation at the endless tinkering.
As Fr. Gabriel stresses in his "Divine Intimacy," everything that Jesus said and did, He did to glorify His Father. So you are mistaken -- He did indeed institute the Catholic Church for God's sake. . . . and for ours.
I did not misunderstand it. I am well familiar with the expression "for God's sake" which usually conveys a sense of exasperation. But "It's the Catholic Church for God's sake" is essentially meaningless as a qualifier in the way in which you used it. Most people who are not committed, knowledgeable Catholics, if they responded at all, would probably respond "So what?"
14 people understood my comment and that it was in the nature of a pun.
I really did not need your detailed theological explanation as I received my Catholic teaching at school in the early 1950’s
Excellent reporting but 91 years and cannot describe permanently. Very sorry.....
God bless you!
What???
She meant “subscribe”.
I hope someone will show you understanding when you reach the age of 91.
I’m nearly there!
So am I!
Thank you for breaking this very profound story which will affect all of the Faithful.
Modernist loons
POWERFUL German Cardinal Reinhard Marx surely is a spiritual son of Martin Luther. Rebellious, obstinate. Too often violates his solemn oath of obedience and fidelity to the Pope and vow to adhere to the doctrines of the faith as a Cardinal of the Catholic Church. Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis warned of the schismatic bent of the German hierarchy as Diane has reported. Too bad Marx is three years away from retirement. Pope Francis declined to accept Cdl. Marx's resignation in 2021 as the Archbishop of Munich and Friesing when Marx was embroiled in sex abuse scandals of the clergy in his archdiocese. He can continue to instigate quite a bit of mischief. Germany is the third top Peter's Pence donor behind the U.S. and Italy. I suspect recent Popes treat the German hierarchy with kid gloves for financial reasons. BTW no surprise for most Catholics, the Vatican has substantial structural deficits of $78 million in 2024 and $717 million in pension fund deficits. Pope Leo was left with a tremendous financial burden by his predecessor.
Francis had opportunity to end this madness but he didn’t! If Pope Leo doesn’t end this madness, it will show he doesn’t have the courage to end this and then why listen to anything he says from that point on!
There is no 'ending' it by edict. It will continue, either as division within the Church or schism without. Either way we all lose. Only repentance and adherence to true teaching will end it properly.
Fire them all.
The plain truth is that the feared schism is a present fact, not something to be awaited in the future. All that need be done now is to acknowledge this reality. The German episcopate frames itself a body of contrarian protracted adolescents drunk on their own notions. They want the formal fracture and to take their piggy bank into the basement and count all their euros to their hearts content. They constitute a cancer, metastasizing in the Universal Church.
Cease, or be cut out. There is no unity with mendacity.
Should the Germans push the envelope they will be providing Pope Leo his defining moment. Faithful Catholic Germans will remain. Those who have already abandoned the Christ's Church are well down the path to their pitiful destiny.
Let us pray for the Pope.
Agree with you, James. The German bishops conference is playing a dangerous game of chicken. Sliding down the slippery slope like greased pigs into the lap of Protestantism. Papal courage is needed now. Our Church's Founder will bless faithfulness.
Will all be sacrificed in the name of “unity?”
Likely. Pray.
It seems money is behind this. Women as deacons would likely seek paid positions. Maybe they need to find another was to manage their wealth. Unfortunately they are likely Freemasons who can’t fathom letting go of some wealth and the control it gives them.
The whole situation is outrageous. More Protestant thinking.
You’re actually on to something. The German Churches are Germany’s second largest employer.
Isn't it a terrifying irony, witnessing the state of the Catholic Church today that spiritual progeny of Martin Luther are elevated and honored as powerful princes of the Church like Cardinal Reinhard Marx while a faithful bishop, watchman on the wall, son of St. Athanasius and St. John the Baptist, is exiled and relegated to the rank of a banished leper? I'm speaking of Bishop Joseph Strickland. One clear, uncompromising voice whom Francis and confederates could not abide. Hear the good bishop's recent reflection:
BISHOP STRICKLAND PODCAST.EXILED BY HIS OWN - Pillars of Faith
https://pillarsoffaith.net/podcasts/exiled-by-his-own/
Obviously Germany is begging to be excommunicated. How many popes have to say no? It looks like Martin Luther still lives in that horribly, heretical country. Wait, they gave up their country to be part of a union that is morphing into Islam. I wish the Church could have another pontiff like Pius X. We need him in this age of modernist heresy.
Well Cardinal Marx(ist) why don't you just include the Muslims and Presbyterians in to the vote in your heretical "synodal" process? Seriously though, this guy should be excommunicated for his sins against the Universal Church, all of Catholicism.
It's all about the German money. This is a test of whether Leo is prepared to do without it for the sake of the Universal Church. The China debacle doesn't bode well.
Always follow the money trail.
This reminds me of the Nazi growth in Germany 1933 to 1939. There were opportunities to stop it when it was weak but those opportunities were not taken. Just so with the German Synod. The Vatican just kept kicking the can down the road and now here we are.
You have to wonder, is Germany griped by a genetic mental and moral disorder?
Starting with Martin Luther and a whole lot since then I have heard it asked whether there is something in the water there.
You don't even need to excommunicate all of them -- just one or two well-placed shots and the rebellion would be finished.
The longer this is allowed to persist, the more heresy will flourish.