"The traditional liturgy is not the exclusive preserve of Lefebvre’s followers"
>> is it too much to ask to be referred to as Catholics rather than Lefebvre’s followers? And you Ecclesia Dei, JP2 followers ought to wake up & be thankful to *Lefevbre*. If it wasn't for him, you guys would still be begging for a Latin Mass or two.
Where's your point man Burke these days? He seems to have clammed up after Leo's election, hmmm?
With all due respect, the NO rules the roost currently. I wouldn't label or judge NO only church goers who don't know the problem. My comment is beyond that.
We are very aware of the problem however we can't change the problem, But God can. So we pray it be his will and not ours be done. We don't attend mass for the clergy's benefit. We attend mass for our benefit. We just chose to ignore the nonsense. I have shaken the dust off my feet at parishes which choose to politicize the mass and Catholic faith. Bottom line is the SSPX Catholics will still be able to attend mass. If they fail to attend that is thier choice not the Pope's. God knows what is in thier hearts.
I understand your point however you took umbridge at a comment made to elicit your exact response. Considering the source I would have laughed at his ignorance and the fact he is resorting to name calling and lost the argument at that juncture. Your faith and the church is built upon much more solid ground than his opinion
I appreciate that this person has direct information from the cardinals, but the anti-traditional sentiments and the tone deaf terminology such as “full communion” are just signs of ignorance. I couldn’t finish the whole article since it was so obviously one-sided.
I agree. The article was so weak and typical. Rome cannot excommunicate Tradition and, furthermore, the SSPX religious are not uneasy about the likely calumny that it will bring. As the God-Man, Our Lord suffered indescribable injustices. Is the servant greater than his Master?
If only one could figure out what Synodality really means. To " walk together " as they are fond of suggesting? What's the final mutual end goal of this walk, superior to anything else, supposed to be? Legitimising homosexuality/ LBGTQ?
To paraphrase Shakespeare, thus the SSPX hath made cowards of them all. We are on the eve of the biggest "schism" since Martin luther, the consistory had planned to address "liturgy" but now won't even discuss it, the great Bp Athanasius Schneider has spoken well for the SSPX (but the best are the SSPX speaking for themselves, including the beautiful saint Abp Lefebrve), the Pope refuses to even meet with Fr Pagliarani, Tucho continues to issue threats devoid of reason, and they can't even TALK about it (officially, that is). This moment is really sifting sheep from goats. It has deepened my faith and drawn me to the SSPX. The behavior of the consistory just throws into even greater relief the truth being said by the SSPX.
On Substack, go over to Hiraeth in Exile and read this:
"The SSPX Places Catholic Tradition on the Table
The Society of Saint Pius X sent Leo XIV and the cardinals a profession of Catholic faith on the eve of the consistory and days before the July 1 episcopal consecrations at Écône.
The document is devastating because it does not sound like a factional manifesto. It sounds like the Catholic Church before the council remembered how to speak...."
This consistory is a bitch session for the cardinals to vent and the pope will just continue with the agenda he's been tasked with anyway. The consistory is a pretense to say that he let these cardinals say their piece so shut up and comply. What percent of those who identify as catholic know about the Real Presence? Mark 4:38-41
This is a spiritual warfare to grant bishop consecration so that priest can be ordained and then ordained priest can give us the sacraments for the salvation of our souls ..it’s become such a big deal to confused us .. many don’t know the deposits of faith and so many many souls will
be loss ., we must pray the rosary ,do penance and fast . Virgin most powerful please intercede for us orphans .
"The traditional liturgy is not the exclusive preserve of Lefebvre’s followers"
>> is it too much to ask to be referred to as Catholics rather than Lefebvre’s followers? And you Ecclesia Dei, JP2 followers ought to wake up & be thankful to *Lefevbre*. If it wasn't for him, you guys would still be begging for a Latin Mass or two.
Where's your point man Burke these days? He seems to have clammed up after Leo's election, hmmm?
“is it too much to ask to be referred to as Catholics rather than Lefebvre’s followers?”
Excellent point! Just a smidgen of respect, please, from our ecumenical loving “fellow”
Catholics!
profess a love of HolyTradition… and then suffer the (demonic) “accusation” that Such is not your’s Alone… when your greatest Hope is All may Share.
Is it too much to ask to be recognized as Catholics when we celebrate the NO mass?
With all due respect, the NO rules the roost currently. I wouldn't label or judge NO only church goers who don't know the problem. My comment is beyond that.
We are very aware of the problem however we can't change the problem, But God can. So we pray it be his will and not ours be done. We don't attend mass for the clergy's benefit. We attend mass for our benefit. We just chose to ignore the nonsense. I have shaken the dust off my feet at parishes which choose to politicize the mass and Catholic faith. Bottom line is the SSPX Catholics will still be able to attend mass. If they fail to attend that is thier choice not the Pope's. God knows what is in thier hearts.
I understand your point however you took umbridge at a comment made to elicit your exact response. Considering the source I would have laughed at his ignorance and the fact he is resorting to name calling and lost the argument at that juncture. Your faith and the church is built upon much more solid ground than his opinion
I appreciate that this person has direct information from the cardinals, but the anti-traditional sentiments and the tone deaf terminology such as “full communion” are just signs of ignorance. I couldn’t finish the whole article since it was so obviously one-sided.
I agree. The article was so weak and typical. Rome cannot excommunicate Tradition and, furthermore, the SSPX religious are not uneasy about the likely calumny that it will bring. As the God-Man, Our Lord suffered indescribable injustices. Is the servant greater than his Master?
If only one could figure out what Synodality really means. To " walk together " as they are fond of suggesting? What's the final mutual end goal of this walk, superior to anything else, supposed to be? Legitimising homosexuality/ LBGTQ?
To paraphrase Shakespeare, thus the SSPX hath made cowards of them all. We are on the eve of the biggest "schism" since Martin luther, the consistory had planned to address "liturgy" but now won't even discuss it, the great Bp Athanasius Schneider has spoken well for the SSPX (but the best are the SSPX speaking for themselves, including the beautiful saint Abp Lefebrve), the Pope refuses to even meet with Fr Pagliarani, Tucho continues to issue threats devoid of reason, and they can't even TALK about it (officially, that is). This moment is really sifting sheep from goats. It has deepened my faith and drawn me to the SSPX. The behavior of the consistory just throws into even greater relief the truth being said by the SSPX.
So the elephant will stand quietly in the corner of the room while the Cardinals pretend not to notice? Another sham consistory.
On Substack, go over to Hiraeth in Exile and read this:
"The SSPX Places Catholic Tradition on the Table
The Society of Saint Pius X sent Leo XIV and the cardinals a profession of Catholic faith on the eve of the consistory and days before the July 1 episcopal consecrations at Écône.
The document is devastating because it does not sound like a factional manifesto. It sounds like the Catholic Church before the council remembered how to speak...."
This consistory is a bitch session for the cardinals to vent and the pope will just continue with the agenda he's been tasked with anyway. The consistory is a pretense to say that he let these cardinals say their piece so shut up and comply. What percent of those who identify as catholic know about the Real Presence? Mark 4:38-41
This is a spiritual warfare to grant bishop consecration so that priest can be ordained and then ordained priest can give us the sacraments for the salvation of our souls ..it’s become such a big deal to confused us .. many don’t know the deposits of faith and so many many souls will
be loss ., we must pray the rosary ,do penance and fast . Virgin most powerful please intercede for us orphans .
Amen